Walter Thomas ALLEN – Jane’s GF1 1877-1930

Walter Thomas Allen

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Walter Thomas Allen was the third of the thirteen children of William Charles Allen and Rebecca Culliford. He was born in 1877 and baptised on 21 Feb 1877 at St Mary the Virgin’s church, Bathwick, Bath.

St Marys Bathwick

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Walter married Elizabeth Amy Perry (1880-1967) on 10 Mar 1898 at Bath Registry Office. They had thirteen children together across the next twenty years.

Elizabeth Amy Perry
with Margaret Ruby behind her

Family Group – Walter, Elizabeth and
seven of their children c 1913/194

Walter was in the 4 Somerset Light Infantry, aka Prince Albert’s. He was a Private in 1898 when the army recorded the birth and baptism of his first child, William Charles Allen.

His battallion was based at Lower Bristol Road, Bath in Aug 1914. On 9 Oct 1914 they sailed from Southampton, landing at Bombay on 9 Nov 1914. On 23 Feb 1916 they transferred to Basra d remained in Mesopotamia throughout the war.

There was however one part of the 4th that remained in the UK throughout the war. As Walter and Lizzie had three children Dorothy in 1913, Phyliis 1915 and Margaret 1917 – perhaps he was in that section.

In total they had thirteen children and twenty-two grandchildren.

William Charles Allen (1898-1917) (more below)
– buried in Tyne Cot Cemetery, Ypres, France
Walter Reginald ‘Reggie’ Allen (1902-1931)
Leonard Alfred Allen (1903-1939)
Emily Price (1902-?)
Married in Oct 1930 in Bath
Percy Douglas Allen (1906-1956)
Reginald Allen (1908-1985)
Evelyn G Derrick (1911-1985)
married Jan 1932 in Bath
Jean S Allen (1944-)
Dennis Roy Allen (1910-1980)
Laura Agnes Louisa Gigg (1915-2005)
married Jul 1934 in Bath
– did he emigrate to Melbourne Australia and come back?
Dorothy ‘Dot’ Gertrude Mary Allen (1913-2005)
Arthur E Iles (1899-1977)
married 1931
Barbara J Iles (1932–)
Maureen D Iles (1933–)
Barry Roy Iles (1935–2005)
Janice D Iles (1936–)
Colin Michael Iles (1937–2013)
Margaret Iles (1939–1939)
Michael Iles (1939–1939)
Dawn P Iles (1940–)
Terence J Iles (1942–1956) died in fall from bridge
Sandra A Iles (1946–)
Michael J Iles (1948–)
Marilyn D Iles (1951–)
Carol S Iles (1954–)
Phyllis Emily Allen (1915-2009)
Victor William Thurston Eades (1914-1987)
married 1937
Roger Thomas Thurston Eades (1939–2010)
Neil Phillip Eades (1943–2013)

Margaret Ruby Allen (1917-1994)
Benjamin James Tiley (1916-1997)
married 1939
Robert G Macfarlane (1916-?)
married 1948
Charmian Elisabeth Tiley (1939–1940)
Maxine Hilary Tiley (1940–1941)
Lynn Tyley

Iona M Macfarlane [Weiss] (1948-?)
Sean Macfarlane (?-?)

1939 Register – 16 London Place – Elizabeth A Allen, Percy and Ivanhoe – with Herbert Perry, Margaret Tiley with Charmian as baby

F – Ivanhoe Wilfred Allen (1919-1996)

M: Violet Evelyn Eileen Stiles (1921-2012)
Wife: Jane Alison [Denton] Allen (1948- )

Walter Thomas died on 10 Jan 1930 and was buried at Locksbrook Cemetery in Bath, in plot number 222971865.


William Charles Allen (1898-1917)

Walter’s eldest was William Charles, who died on the 20 Sep 1917, he was laid to rest in Tyne Cot Commonwealth War Graves Cemetery at Ypres at location P090S117.

William was a private No 55834 in the Royal Welsh Fusiliers 9th Battalion, although he lived in Bath and joined up in Taunton. He was therefore part of Sir Douglas Haig’s Third Ypres battle, planned to make a breakthrough in Flanders.


This battle started on 31 Jul 1917 and was sustained through a series of battles until 6 November 1917 when Passchendaele was finally taken. Lloyd George said Passchendaele was indeed one of the greatest disasters of the war … No soldier of any intelligence now defends this senseless campaign. Brigadier-General J E Edmonds put the official British casualties at 244,897 and estimated the German losses at 400,000, both probably underestimates.

Given the date of William’s death it would appear that he was involved in the battle of the Menin Road Ridge. This was the third British general attack of the third battle of Ypres. This attack used a new approach of ‘leap-frog’ where one wave would have an objective and consolidate on reaching it, the next wave would pass on beyond them to the next objective and so on. It proved no more effective and certainly was not a case of third time lucky for William.

William was just nineteen. His father Walter received his son’s ‘soldier’s effects’ two years later on 11 Jul 1919, together with the sum of £4 4s 9p.

Siegfried Sassoon wrote of this battle:

Squire nagged and bullied till I went to fight,
(Under Lord Derby’s Scheme). I died in hell—
(They called it Passchendaele). My wound was slight,
And I was hobbling back; and then a shell
Burst slick upon the duck-boards: so I fell
Into the bottomless mud, and lost the light…

Walter Reginald ‘Reggie’ Allen (1902-1931) and Percy Douglas Allen (1906-1956)

I can find no record of any marriage or children for these Walter;s second and fourth sons.

Leonard Alfred Allen (1903-1939) and

Leonard was apparently married in Oct 1930 to Emily Price in Bath, but no record was found of any children.

Reginald Allen (1908-1985)

Reginald married Evelyn G Derrick (1911-1985) in Jan 1932 in Bath. They had one child Jean S Allen (1944-).

Dennis Roy Allen (1910-1980)

Dennis maried Laura Agnes Louisa Gigg (1915-2005) in Jul 1934 in Bath, There is no record of children and some suggestion he may have emigrated to Melbourne Australia, and then returned?

Ivanhoe Wilfred Allen (1919-1996)

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